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IS, where did I say I expect someone to lie in their relationship? This shows your over-expiation of my words and twisting them around to suit your own purpose. I would most certainly hope that a man or woman wouldn't lie. If a man considers me a mini-van, I rather know then not. This gives me the option to go and find a man that will think more of me then that. Someone that will want to inspire me into something more then such a bane mundane existence. And you know what, I don't think that way of thinking is so horrible, shallow or wrong.

Where did I say that it doesn't matter how a man values a woman as a person? Not one of my posts ever makes mention of anything close to this. And it's mere hyperbole on your part.

Where did I say that the only think a man values a woman for is her physical beauty? While I fully acknowledge that there are more then just physical beauty that men like, fact remains that it's still a big factor in how men judge women. Of course it's not the only thing that matters but when your SO is looking at another woman's breasts and then turning around preaching about how you should be happy that he finds you a dependable mini-van, *that* seems truly hypocritical. There are certain things that make a woman feel like a woman and a man like a man. And that doesn't make a woman or me shallow for it. When a men with a 40 year old wife nudges and winks at his friends as a girl young enough to be his daughter walks by, I remember just how un-shallow men are. When you got millions of husbands and boyfriends all over the world downloading images of breast implanted 18 year olds, I'll remember that men aren't shallow in the least. You're just a man right? You're needs and desires to ogle other women is not shallow. That's what makes you a man. And a woman being hurt or concerned over her mans' interest in other women is just a shallow bitch who needs to shut up right? I mean, overall that is your message. Men are allowed to be shallow, a woman isn't. A man's "shallowness" is self righteous and important. A woman's is self indulgent.

From my experiences, most men do seem to always be on the look out for that "something better" on some level pretty regularly. There will always be a better looking woman out there and he will always be eager to look at her or take it to another level of visually picturing her naked or other things. Please spare me the comments that I am shallow. Insecure? At times, I sure am. But don't sit there and preach to me about being shallow and how offensive it is when men are usually the ones buying into shallow ideals and stereotypes about women. Next time I see a guy admiring the big brain on a girl with the same zeal he admires her chest, then we can start talking about how un-shallow men are. And while obviously men can and do value women more for just looks, I find it awfully preachy for men to preach about women being concerned about looks when that's is usually the first thing men react to and are concerned with and hold against women when they don't measure up in some way.